Ben's Traditional Singlecut

[imported_Schroeder]

Here is Ben's top gluing up and a pic of a carbon copy of his neck!! Johnson's neck is also from the same hunk of wood. I will take more pics along the way but it is a twin of this one!

This pic does not come close to showing the craziness of the figure on this piece!!
http://www.schroederguitars.com/p/images/Ben/top_joined.gif

Flamed limba with a really cool streak running up the center. These necks will be true one-piece necks with no "wings." This board is a little over 3.5" wide.
http://www.schroederguitars.com/p/images/Johnson/limba-neck.gif

[imported_Benster]

Woooooooohoooooooooo :lol: :o :lol: :shock: :P

[imported_vangit]

It has begun!!!!! Looks great Ben.

[imported_WHY_U_TRY]

sounds like an interesting neck !!! welcome to the group Ben ! :)

[imported_Shadscbr]

Looking great so far.....nice wood choices :D

Shad

[imported_Chun13]

3 Asians, 3 SC, see a trend ? :D

[imported_DrPCR]

yeah whats with these chinks following me?? ;)

[imported_Schroeder]

Some pics of the body glued. Ready for cutout.

http://www.schroederguitars.com/p/images/Ben/body-glued.gif

http://www.schroederguitars.com/p/images/Ben/body-glued2.gif

[imported_Shadscbr]

I love the look of that flamed limba :)

Shad

[imported_Benster]

Wohohohoho.. check out the back! Streaks + Flame!!! Killer! :twisted:

[imported_Benster]

Hmm..

Deciding between 24.75' and 25' scale lengths for my SC.

Which should i go for?

24.75 for classic fat les paul tone? 25 for modern rock? problem is that i wanna do both.

guitars i currently own now:

Vanzandt '59 replica strat 25.5'
PRS Custom 24 fret, 25'
Hamer Newport w/ Bigsby 24.75'

i can go back and forth between these scale lengths with no problem.

current specs for the SC:

maple top, limba body and neck, 12' fingerboard radius, tunomatic bridge, 2 humbuckers.




decisions... decisions..

[imported_Will]

I have been recently deciding myself betwwen a 25" or a 24.75". I play 2 McCarty models and those are 22 frets @25" and a Strat @ 25.5. But recently I recently purchased at a Pawn Shop a Schecter 24 Fret 24.75" PT Blackjack. Good deal for only $175 in near perfect condition. :D

The crazy thing is that I have actually been noticing that I seem to play more confortably the Schecter than the other guitars. The neck just seems right to me. I use 10-52 strings so the tension feels good. Switching between the PRS and the Schecter is noticebly different. I notice that with the PRS's I have to work at playing. Something I never really noticed until recently getting the Schecter. Don't get me wrong, I still love my PRS's. But I am leaning more on getting my Schroeder done @ 24.75 with 24 frets.

On a different note, The Schecter came with these amazing sounding pickups. I was completely shocked when i took them out to see what they were. Kent Armstrong humbuckers. The neck is a M213K and the bridge a M214K. Very good pickups. I was shocked to find out that they sell for about $40 each. Very articulate pickups. I like em..

[imported_sleepingtiger]

Will.....That's the beauty of an open mind....& a "blind" test. We so often condition ourselves that older, more expensive etc, is necessarily better. I myself love to find a deal, or something overlooked that's just right! Congrats!

[imported_vangit]

Hmm..

Deciding between 24.75' and 25' scale lengths for my SC.

Which should i go for?

24.75 for classic fat les paul tone? 25 for modern rock? problem is that i wanna do both.

guitars i currently own now:

Vanzandt '59 replica strat 25.5'
PRS Custom 24 fret, 25'
Hamer Newport w/ Bigsby 24.75'

i can go back and forth between these scale lengths with no problem.

current specs for the SC:

maple top, limba body and neck, 12' fingerboard radius, tunomatic bridge, 2 humbuckers.




decisions... decisions..

Hey Ben.
I think alot of scle length is personal comfort. I know what you are saying about "classic fat les paul tone", but if two Les Pauls were made identical or Schroeders were made identical, do you really think .25 of an inch would make a substabtial difference tone?

[imported_edgarallanpoe]

Hey Ben.
I think alot of scle length is personal comfort. I know what you are saying about "classic fat les paul tone", but if two Les Pauls were made identical or Schroeders were made identical, do you really think .25 of an inch would make a substabtial difference tone

Good point. I would say that the difference would be very subtle. I happen to prefer the feel and note clarity of a full scale guitar, and the difference between that and a short scale in definitely noticable, but I would doubt that I would hear much of a difference in a 25" scale guitar. This is a good question and I would guess that it would have a lot to do with the particular players playing style. A rock player with high gain amps might not notice a difference at all, but a jazz player who keeps it clean and plays complicated chords might hear a *huge* difference.

[imported_Benster]

hmm, i'm leaning toward a more classic les paul kind of tone for this guitar (well, as classic as it can be, considering the choice of woods) so i think i might go with 24.75'.

besides, i already have 2 PRS's with 25' scale necks.. time for something different?

[Schroeder]

Ready to carve...

http://www.schroederguitars.com/photos/Ben%20Oh/body%20taper.jpg

[Benster]

Awesome!!!

I've more or less decided on a finish for the top, which is some kind of orangey burst.

some examples of what i mean:

Heatley
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f185/bensterr/fllfrnt.jpg

Les Paul
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f185/bensterr/DSCF0008.jpg

Koll
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f185/bensterr/kollorange.jpg

PRS PS
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f185/bensterr/105891-2.jpg

[Benster]

I think i'm going to go for cascading star inlays on the fingerboard, something similar to but not exactly like Gibson's Starburst inlay. Always wanted a guitar with stars on the fingerboard!

Here's a crude photoshop of what i have in mind (roughly!)

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f185/bensterr/burstt.jpg


Any opinions on the finish/inlays guys?

[Schroeder]

Hey Ben!
I think that finish will look amazing with this wood and is perfect for this style of guitar. Very traditional! I particularly like the PRS with the one-piece top.
Jason

[Benster]

Mmmm.. thanks Jason! it would be great if you could nail a finish that is inspired by the above 4 guitars, and get the quilt to jump out like on William's guitar.. :D

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f185/bensterr/Schroeder%20number%208/top20in20sun.jpg

edit: By the way, did i mention that William's guitar looks absolutely KILLER? Way to go, Jason!

its so killer that.. i'm hoping the finish on mine turns out like William's, but orangier. heh.

[Benster]

Jason, i found a description of the neck shape i'd like, on Suhr's site:

56 Big V - big from .880" to .960", it rolls in at the fingerboard and is a soft V that tapers to almost no V. Recommended for V neck fans.

I'd like it to be chunky and have a medium V shape right from the nut, and slowly tapering to a softer V after the 12th fret.. is it possible?

[Benster]

My goodness!!!

Jason, can the wood on my guitar's headstock overlay look like this please please please? pretty please? ;)

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f185/bensterr/Schroeder%20number%208/scr1.jpg

[Schroeder]

I haven't glued your fretboard yet Ben so I will see what I can come up with. Shoot me an email if you get a chance.
Jason

[guitarnyc]

is that headstock above mine ? just curious if I can spot my own yet haha
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[Schroeder]

is that headstock above mine ? just curious if I can spot my own yet haha

Sure is...

[Schroeder]

Here is a very rough carve on Ben's top. Much mroe refining to do!!

http://www.schroederguitars.com/photos/Ben%20carve.jpg

[Benster]

Wow great to see that! Very pretty.

Hey Jason, tomorrow morning i will be going for an operation to fix 2 herniated discs in my spine. Will be in the hospital till saturday. Take care of that guitar while i'm gone! :p

[Elizabeth]

Wow, Ben.
That doesn't sound like any fun. Hope everything goes well.
Elizabeth

[vangit]

Wow great to see that! Very pretty.

Hey Jason, tomorrow morning i will be going for an operation to fix 2 herniated discs in my spine. Will be in the hospital till saturday. Take care of that guitar while i'm gone! :p
Good luck Ben. I have two in my neck. Where is DrPcr when we need him :)

[Schroeder]

Here is Ben's SC with top carve complete and the neck pocket cut.

http://www.schroederguitars.com/photos/Ben%20Oh/top%20carve%20neck%20joint%20complete.jpg

[Schroeder]

And with pickup routes complete. Note the thin piece of the top in the neck joint on the treble side. This will be removed in final shaping.

http://www.schroederguitars.com/photos/Ben%20Oh/pickup%20and%20neck%20routes%20complete.jpg

Another angle...
http://www.schroederguitars.com/photos/Ben%20Oh/top%20carve%20neck%20joint%20complete2.jpg

[Benster]

Awesome! the figuring is killer even when unfinished. can't wait to see it finished! :D

thanks Jason!

[vangit]

Awesome! the figuring is killer even when unfinished. can't wait to see it finished! :D

thanks Jason!

I agree, looks great. Every Schroeder would look great in natural, just gorgeous wood.

[guitarnyc]

damn that thing looks beautiful...will look great in any color
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[Schroeder]

Check out Ben's fingerboard!! Another Brazilian landscape.

http://www.schroederguitars.com/photos/Ben%20Oh/ben%20fingerboard.jpg

[Shadscbr]

Great figuring in that wood...nice choice Ben/Jason! :)

Shad

[Schroeder]

Getting closer Ben! Ready to carve your neck... Also have to place the brdge holes for the TOM and stop tailpiece.

http://www.schroederguitars.com/photos/Ben%20Oh/Ben%20full.jpg

http://www.schroederguitars.com/photos/Ben%20Oh/Ben%20back%202.jpg

[Bryan]

Those stars are killer, great idea!!!

[Benster]

:cool: Awesome!!!

[vangit]

Too cool guys. Looks awsome

[Schroeder]

http://www.schroederguitars.com/photos/Ben%20Oh/Ben%20wet%20sand.jpg

[guitarnyc]

whoah that is wild looking ! I think I can see the stars under the masking tape ? That is going to be a very showy showy guitar with that paint scheme and those inlays ! awesome dude :D
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[Benster]

woahhh! too awesome! :D

i initially had fears that my proposed finish scheme would be too far out or the colors wouldn't work, But Jason plain blew me away with this.

i think it looks like the fuel tank on a custom motorcycle. yeah!

can't wait to see how it looks with the star inlays!

i rotated and enlarged the photo.. here it is head on:
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f185/bensterr/Schroeder%20number%208/Ben20wet20sand.jpg

[Chun13]

Waouw ! Crazy colour scheme !

It's gonna be a killer guitar, that's for sure !

[vangit]

Real cool guitar Ben. I love the way Jason met the two colors. It got my wheels turning on other color combos.............hmm...........

[Schroeder]

Here is a shot of the gold pinstripe applied to Ben's guitar:

http://www.schroederguitars.com/photos/Ben%20Oh/Ben%20stripe.jpg

[Chun13]

Waow ! It's looking better and better!

Awesome idea's!

[Benster]

got an email from Liz saying final assembly is next week! :eek:

more pics pics pics please if possible!!! :D

[Schroeder]

Here is the final wetsand Ben!! Buffing to follow and plenty of fingerboard cleanup!!

http://www.schroederguitars.com/photos/Ben%20Oh/ben%20wetsand.jpg

http://www.schroederguitars.com/photos/Ben%20Oh/ben%20wetsand%20back.jpg

[Schroeder]

Getting close!!! Check out the figuring on the fingerboard!

http://www.schroederguitars.com/photos/Ben%20Oh/ben%20getting%20close.jpg

Rubbed out and ready for assembly!
http://www.schroederguitars.com/photos/Ben%20Oh/ben%20rubout%20bridge%20install.jpg

[Chun13]

Waow, awesome picture!

[Benster]

one word: awesome!

i created a thread in tgp just for it: http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?t=295782

[bazguitarman]

Now that`s a stage guitar supreme. I could never spec out a finish like that, but that guitar is gonna own the stage. All other guitars will have to bow their weak little necks in shame.

Hahahaha....Great job doing something different.

Eric

[Benster]

Now that`s a stage guitar supreme. I guild never spec out a finish like that, but that guitar is gonna own the stage. All other guitars will have to bow their weak little necks inshame.

Hahahaha....Great job doing something different.

Eric

exactly what i imagined.. LOL..

thanks! the guitar is actually complete, save for some last minute wiring spec changes :P

http://www.schroederguitars.com/photos/Ben%20Oh/Ben%20bridge%20install.jpg

[Benster]

awesome ;) :D

[Schroeder]

Well, Ben can attest to the fact that this guitar has been put through a lot!! We made some last minute changes to the electronics that ended up being a bit more challenging than anticipated. We put a 5 way rotary in the 3 way position which is a lot more difficult than it sounds! Had to modify the cavity and enlarge the hole between the pickups. The wiring was a bit of a nightmare but it is going to be a very versatile guitar!!! Ben has been a saint while I struggled with completing this guitar!!

Sort of funny, I did not notice the wire on the ground in thephotos while I was taking the pics! These have nothing to do with the guitar!! LOL. Just some old wires from a shed we tore down last summer!

http://www.schroederguitars.com/photos/Ben%20Oh/ben_complete.jpg

http://www.schroederguitars.com/photos/Ben%20Oh/ben_complete_body.jpg

http://www.schroederguitars.com/photos/Ben%20Oh/ben_complete3.jpg

More pics and videos to come...

[Benster]

woohoo! awesome :D

i didnt think the rosewood knobs matched the outrageous finish of this guitar, so Jason is saving those and working on a new set of knobs as we speak..

[Schroeder]

http://www.schroederguitars.com/photos/Ben%20Oh/ben_matched_knobs.jpg

[guitarnyc]

oh wow those knobs are out there...very cool idea Jason...great work on solving that situation :)
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[Shadscbr]

those knobs are Sweet!! :)

Shad

[goof1073]

That is a cool idea...they definately blend away nicely. However, they almost blend too much...maybe add a small star inlay to each one as a position indicator?

[vangit]

I really love the matching knobs alot. Excellent choice.

[Benster]

http://www.schroederguitars.com/photos/Ben%20Oh/ben_matched_knobs.jpg


http://photos-a.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v287/88/115/738725850/n738725850_1240128_714.jpg

[vangit]

Just keeps getting cooler Ben!

[Schroeder]

http://www.schroederguitars.com/photos/Ben%20Oh/ben_knobs_plates.jpg

[Athena]

http://www.schroederguitars.com/photos/Ben%20Oh/ben_knobs_plates.jpg
OMG! Those are so beautiful! Like jewels.

...Ath

[Benster]

here's a brightened up and rotated verison of the latest photo Jason sent me :D

http://photos-d.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v299/88/115/738725850/n738725850_1491731_1525.jpg

note the flamed maple pickup rings & flamed nickel pickup covers for the WCR Darkbursts :D

http://photos-e.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v299/88/115/738725850/n738725850_1491220_8949.jpg

[r9player]

Love that flamed look on the covers!

[Benster]

some photos of #8 in action last weekend.. more to come, have a few shows this week..
http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v373/88/115/738725850/n738725850_2021456_7190.jpg

http://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v373/88/115/738725850/n738725850_2021489_5103.jpg

http://photos-c.ll.facebook.com/photos-ll-snc1/v368/45/58/542281489/n542281489_2163826_4676.jpg

for those of you with facebook accounts, you can listen to our music here.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/EN-X/20680538528

the stratty sounds on 'Never Be The Same' would not have been possible without the 5-way rotary.

listen to 'Falling', i think it captures the sound of the guitar really well.
all were recorded with Schroeder #8 :)

[vangit]

Hey Ben. I really dig the songs!!!

[Benster]

thanks Stu.. more to come, my band will be releasing our debut album early next year. :D

[vangit]

thanks Stu.. more to come, my band will be releasing our debut album early next year. :D

So what's your Rig Ben? What are you playing the Schroeder through?

[Benster]

hey Stu

the rig used in the recordings were various amp models in Native Instrument's Guitar Rig software. direct to Logic Pro.

my live rig is currently RMC Pic Wah, Menatone Kar Krash, Menatone KOTB, Catalinbread boost, Barber EQ, Boss DD20 into a Palmer PDI09 speaker sim/DI box, direct to the PA.

i've just uploaded the latest track 'Falling' here.. its all Schroeder. check it out!
http://www.facebook.com/pages/EN-X/20680538528

[vangit]

hey Stu

the rig used in the recordings were various amp models in Native Instrument's Guitar Rig software. direct to Pro Tools.

my live rig is currently RMC Pic Wah, Menatone Kar Krash, Menatone KOTB, Catalinbread boost, Barber EQ, Boss DD20 into a Palmer PDI09 speaker sim/DI box, direct to the PA.

i've just uploaded the latest track 'Falling' here.. its all Schroeder. check it out!
http://www.facebook.com/pages/EN-X/20680538528

Tasty solo in Falling Ben. ooooo you have a Kar Krash. Does it live up to reputation?

[danno_eleven]

We were rockin some of your tunes in the shop the other day. Very nice Benster. Ol #8 sounds great!!!

[Benster]

thanks for the kind words guys

Stu: yes, the Kar Krash is awesome.. worth the hefty price tag and lives up to the hype. feels like an amp. it is actually the only drive pedal that i have been using live recently..

dano: thanks for listening to my stuff! glad that you dig it :D #8 is awesome!~

[buickrob]

Damn good! Falling sounds great. Your singer is good too. Call me crazy but he has a Trent Reznor/Adam Duritz thing going. I know that sounds like an weird mix but it hit me like a ton of bricks and I liked it.

[Schroeder]

I was thinking that his voice sounds a little like Brett Scallions of Fuel. Great voice.

Very clean production Ben! Nice tasty guitar parts. Sounds fantastic. Thanks for posting the music and pics!

[Shadscbr]

Great playing Ben!! Falling is a really cool tune, i'm listening to it again right now. The singer has a great voice...to my ears, it's some cool mixture of Seal, John Mayer, and J's Scallions/fuel pick. I can't wait to hear the whole cd :D

Shad

[Benster]

thanks for the kind words guys.

the recording was done with the schroeder through a tube preamp, direct to the various amp models and effects in Native Instruments Guitar Rig, into Logic Pro. no external pedals or amps.

this tonal approach was something i would have frowned against some time ago, but the results certainly changed my mind!

i really love the resonance of the guitar and the responsiveness of the WCR darkburst pickups. inspiring to say the least.

oh, and here's another photo of #8 in action from last weekend. pardon the bad lighting though..
http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v373/88/115/738725850/n738725850_2049639_4987.jpg

[guitarnyc]

Nice music Ben ! Keyboard is pretty heavy in the music...what happens when she isn't around live ? I don't see her in that last picture posted. Do you have play with tracks in that case ?
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[Benster]

Nice music Ben ! Keyboard is pretty heavy in the music...what happens when she isn't around live ? I don't see her in that last picture posted. Do you have play with tracks in that case ?

naw, she's always with us, she was standing behind me in the shadows, poor lighting! heh :D

thanks for the compliment!