Hi all!

[simon_UK]

Heya,

Just 'discovered' schroeders yesterday on the BaM forum (im guitargeek62 on there!), I was planning on getting a new PRS this spring/summer but now ive had a price quote back from jason (fast service, very impressed :) ) im sorely tempted to go custom again!

Just wondered if anyone has had a hollow schroeder built yet as i didnt notice any on the gallery? Id be after a white korina/redwood build thats as hollow as possible because i love light guitars (and the sound of a semi!) plus my right shoulder got messed up in a bike crash a couple of years back! Im getting the settlement this spring which is whats funding the new acquisition! :p

Cheers

Simon


ps, any idea of the wait time for a new one?

[dave_graham]

welcome!

william (if you look through the "Progress Threads") has a hollow single cut thats' almost done. see here (http://www.schroederguitars.com/forums/showthread.php?t=656).

as for wait times....i put my order in 10/2005.

dave

[tequilaboy85]

Welocme.

I think that the actual waiting time is around a year.
I've put my order on the end of July and Jason quoted me a year wait.
Than a couple of weeks ago he told me that my guitar could be ready before the initial quoted time.
If you ask to Jason you will have the best quote

[Schroeder]

Welcome Simon!

Dave thanks for pointing out William's guitar. Yes the semi hollow is complete. Will and I are still finalizing our transaction and it will go out shortly.

As for wait times, I should clarify that when I was taking orders in October 05, my shop was a single car garage!! In December of 05 I had an opportunity to move from that property to one with a 1400 foot shop (and a tiny run down house). I spent the better part of the first half of last year building the new shop, which we are still refining, and making the house habitable (even though there still is no useable kitchen!!! LOL. But who needs a kitchen when you have a big shop!!). :D So I essentially lost 6 months of build time. i expect delivery times of late summer if I take in orders right now. The new shop is easier and easier to work in and we are improving efficiencies!

[vangit]

Welcome Simon.
Don't know if you saw the last pic of Doc's semi-hallow, this one is not on his progress thread
http://www.schroederguitars.com/photos/John%20M/john%20will2.jpg

Obviously everyone has an opinion, but as far a custom Shcroeder and a PRS, the choice is easy. Not only did I get the perfect guitar for me, but it was great being part of the whole experience. Here some pics of mine if you haven't seen
http://www.schroederguitars.com/forums/showthread.php?t=926

stu

[Schroeder]

Here are a couple more pics of the semi-hollow Singlecut.

http://www.schroederguitars.com/photos/William%20Singlecut/will%20back%20lorez.jpg

http://www.schroederguitars.com/photos/William%20Singlecut/will%20lorez.jpg

[dave_graham]

Welcome Simon!

Dave thanks for pointing out William's guitar. Yes the semi hollow is complete. Will and I are still finalizing our transaction and it will go out shortly.

As for wait times, I should clarify that when I was taking orders in October 05, my shop was a single car garage!! In December of 05 I had an opportunity to move from that property to one with a 1400 foot shop (and a tiny run down house). I spent the better part of the first half of last year building the new shop, which we are still refining, and making the house habitable (even though there still is no useable kitchen!!! LOL. But who needs a kitchen when you have a big shop!!). :D So I essentially lost 6 months of build time. i expect delivery times of late summer if I take in orders right now. The new shop is easier and easier to work in and we are improving efficiencies!

yeah, that definitely would've clarified my point...LOL....

*sigh* it was early, i was running to a mental hospital to interview a client...and, well....the rest is history...

i'm looking forward to it. :)

dave

[guitarnyc]

Hey there Simon ! you are in like company here...I was going to order a PRS custom of some sort and found Jason's work on harmony central...did research which led me through 3 forums (HC, BAM and this one) and tons of information but in the end I could basically have every option I wanted (Brazilian everything blah blah blah) and still be thousands less than any PRS custom without those options :)

Here is a link to my guitar and I just recently got mine and already am ordering a second one :)

http://www.schroederguitars.com/forums/showthread.php?t=703&page=10
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[simon_UK]

cheers guys :)

Wait time doesnt sound too bad at all, especially seeing as id have to wait around that long anyway to order any of the new singlecuts from maryland!

Seeing the SC hollowbody has got me thinking again though, this one was posted on BaM a while back and design wise is absolutely perfect imo!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v515/vcaragiulo/DSC01443.jpg


If i could get a guitar that plays and sounds as good as a PRS Hollowbody 1 (mahogany back) but in a singlecut with a more accessible control layout id buy it but i cant hence possibly/probably going down the custom route again!!!!

I had a Nathan Sheppard built last year which was great but i just didnt connect with it at all so i swapped it for a Custom 22 which ended up being the best solid-body ive ever played/heard but was the wrong colour for me, i sold it because i just want guitars that dont have anything i dislike about them (ive sold 12 this/last year :confused:).

I was meant to be coming to the states on a shopping trip with one of my guitar buddies to come and buy a PRS (much much better selection over there!) but now ive got the quote back itd work out about the same either way :\

[simon_UK]

Hey there Simon ! you are in like company here...I was going to order a PRS custom of some sort and found Jason's work on harmony central...did research which led me through 3 forums (HC, BAM and this one) and tons of information but in the end I could basically have every option I wanted (Brazilian everything blah blah blah) and still be thousands less than any PRS custom without those options :)

Here is a link to my guitar and I just recently got mine and already am ordering a second one :)

http://www.schroederguitars.com/forums/showthread.php?t=703&page=10
Hi,

Just been looking at your one!!! Charcoal is one of my colour options (with a natural back, cant stand painted ones or even stains most of the time!) or the modern eagle style Faded Denim finish! Neither of which are an option on any PRS other than the ME which is yet another reason for me to get a custom build lol!!!!

Hows the rosewood neck by the way? Ive played a McRosie but didnt like the finish on it, been wondering if i should go for one anyway as that might have been a one off? Ive never heard anything bad about a rosewood neck which is generally a good reason to get something!!!

[tequilaboy85]

IMHO,an Indian Rosewood neck feels and sounds different from a Brazilian one.
I've had a Melancon Custom with IRW neck which simply was dead sounding.
A week ago I've received a PRS McCarty BLE with IRW neck(which is one of the best PRS I've ever played) and compared it to my Huber with BRW neck.To my hears and hands the brazilian is the winner:

1)it's smoother:it simply feels like silk in your hand
2)IRW tends to be muddier than the BRW

To me the BRW is worth the extra money!

[simon_UK]

lol, dam you guys! This is going to end up being more expensive than i thought! Always worth going the extra on a custom though i guess!!!!

Any idea on the upcharge for a Braz neck then?

[tequilaboy85]

Braz is expensive and it's becoming really hard to find.
Jason have a lot of BRW,so I strongly suggest to get one while still available.
I've done it for my second order.
For the upcharge ask Jason or Elizabeth.

Also check this post to see some BRW Jason has:

http://www.schroederguitars.com/forums/showthread.php?t=935

[edgarallanpoe]

A week ago I've received a PRS McCarty BLE with IRW neck(which is one of the best PRS I've ever played) and compared it to my Huber with BRW neck.To my hears and hands the brazilian is the winner:


Apples and oranges, there are a multitude of possible reasons for this and some of them have nothing to do with the difference between IRW and BRW.

IMHO there is minimal difference on an electric guitar.

Acoustic is another animal altogether.

[simon_UK]

technically though it will make a difference simply because theyre two different species of wood. I always like to think of tonewoods as sponges which just soak up certain frequencies and leave you with the frequencies you hear!

whether that makes sense to anyone else or not i dont know lol!

[guitarnyc]

Hi,

Just been looking at your one!!! Charcoal is one of my colour options (with a natural back, cant stand painted ones or even stains most of the time!) or the modern eagle style Faded Denim finish! Neither of which are an option on any PRS other than the ME which is yet another reason for me to get a custom build lol!!!!

Hows the rosewood neck by the way? Ive played a McRosie but didnt like the finish on it, been wondering if i should go for one anyway as that might have been a one off? Ive never heard anything bad about a rosewood neck which is generally a good reason to get something!!!

If you can't tell I modeled mine after a modern eagle ;) I was going to go with the ME charcoal color but Jason found a Santana with a dark black finish so we went with a middle blend and my entire guitar is satin finish and I love it.

My neck is Braz neck and Braz board and with the cost of this option through Jason, I can't imagine anyone going with Indian because of how cheap in comparison it still is and how much Jason has :) I can't say anything bad about the neck because I love it...the way it feels and plays (I have stainless steel frets also) and the unfinished feel and look go with the satin body and back perfectly...wish I could show it to you in person but I just realized you are in the UK...the tour is coming over there from what I've heard ? ask Quinny :)
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[simon_UK]

lol, had a feeling it was!!! I know niall (quinny) from another forum and he only lives about an hours drive away from me so im going to head up and check it out, might even borrow it for a few days :D

Im fairly certain id be going with a satin finish too, they look smarter than a gloss imo and feel nicer too!

[tequilaboy85]

Apples and oranges, there are a multitude of possible reasons for this and some of them have nothing to do with the difference between IRW and BRW.

IMHO there is minimal difference on an electric guitar.

Acoustic is another animal altogether.

As I've said,it's what I feel and hear.
I'm sure that Jason has better quality IRW necks that the ones I've played,but to me all the BRW I've ever played sounded better and had a better feeling.
That's my opinion and if someone asks me what to choose,I'll suggest BRW always.

[edgarallanpoe]

My neck is Braz neck and Braz board and with the cost of this option through Jason, I can't imagine anyone going with Indian because of how cheap in comparison it still is and how much Jason has :)

That is an excellent point and one I have used in the past. All of my Hubers have Braz because it was a minimal upcharge and will help the instrument hold its value.
I will lay 10,000 US dollars on my kitchen table, take 100 guitars, 50 Braz, 50 Indian, and will give that money to anyone who can tell the difference in feel and tone in a blind test with as little as 80% accuracy.

Also, I have never been in a live setting and said "Damn that guitar with the Braz neck sounds better than the Indian neck!" LOL!!!

[tequilaboy85]

To me the difference in feeling it's pretty obvious.
In tone it's not so big,but for me there is a difference.

If we are talking about necks.

If we talk about fingerboards you can't notice the difference

I repeat that's my opinion,maybe I have super sensible fingers and hears :)

[simon_UK]

Its the feel of it im more worried about tbh, the McRosie was IRW as far as i know, it was okay but wasnt what id have picked if i had the choice!

Tonewise however it did sound great!

[tequilaboy85]

What you didn't like in the feeling of the IRW neck of the McRoasie?

By the way it's strange,since everyone seems to like the feeling of a rosewood neck but a lot don't like how they sounds

Instead I like both feeling and tone

[simon_UK]

Not sure really, it was a good few months back when i tried it (wasnt for long either as i was in love with a prs hollowbody 1 that was in the store as well but couldnt stump up the money for it at the time) but it seemed to have an odd finish on the neck, kind of sticky and rough but not like a satin finish?

[vangit]

Its the feel of it im more worried about tbh, the McRosie was IRW as far as i know, it was okay but wasnt what id have picked if i had the choice!

Tonewise however it did sound great!

In general rosewood necks do not have a finish (maybe a light oiling). Something to note too, the more you play a rosewood neck the slicker it gets. They feel amazing smooth.

[simon_UK]

thats the weird part, this one felt as though a satin finish had been applied to the rosewood! It didnt feel anything like 'normal' rosewood on a fingerboard say does!

[guitarnyc]

yeah my BRW neck is very smooth and feels so natural...there is a light oil on it...not sure what type but Jason can tell you what he puts on the necks...whatever it is, it gives it a great feeling !
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[Bryan]

My schroeder has an IRW neck.
Let me tell you ....It's far from DEAD.

Personaly, I've only played one PRS in my life that has come close to the tone quality of my Schroeoder.
As a point of reference, I bought my first PRS in early 1986.


Hey Jason!!!

Have I told you lately?........................................... .................................................. .......











Just how bad ass my guitar is!!!!

My band has been in the studio this week and we have 8-9 guitars in there including 3 PRS, a custom Carvin, a les paul, a few nice fenders and my Schroeder is laying the smack down on all of them..!!!

[tequilaboy85]

I didn't want to say that an IRW neck is dead sounding:I've said that my Melancon was dead sounding.
I still prefer a IRW neck to a mahogany neck.
Anyway between a IRW and a BRW I prefer BRAZ.

And as told before,I'm sure that Jason has high quality woods and I guess that his IRW neck are better quality than the ones that I've tried.

[Quinny]

Hi Simon, good to see you here! Indeed, the tour guitar should be with me soon.... you'll have to come up and check it and some other cool stuff out. Shouldn't be a problem with you taking the tour guitar down by the surf for a few days too. :) Incidentally, I went for IRW on my neck... partially because of the cost, partially because tonally I'll be damned if I can tell the difference... but ultimately if you play it regularly enough, get some heat and sweat on there on a regular basis, then that slick and smooth feel is going to be just great regardless of IRW or BRW. Saying that, if Jason called and said he'd accidentally put a BRW neck on there, I have to say I wouldn't be *too* saddened. :D

I like RW and Cocobolo for P90 guitars, just magic.

Q.

[vangit]

I didn't want to say that an IRW neck is dead sounding:I've said that my Melancon was dead sounding.
I still prefer a IRW neck to a mahogany neck.
Anyway between a IRW and a BRW I prefer BRAZ.

And as told before,I'm sure that Jason has high quality woods and I guess that his IRW neck are better quality than the ones that I've tried.

Yep, I agree the quality or the IRW and the guitar in general must be considered. I played Jasons Tour guitar with IRW and it felt and sounded amazeing.

[Paulpuck]

I like RW and Cocobolo for P90 guitars, just magic.

Q.

Do you like those choices for neck woods or rw for neck and cocobolo for body?

Paul

[simon_UK]

Heya quinny! ill try not to get any sand on it if i borrow it :p

Cocobolo is a lovely wood, i had that on my nathan sheppard for the fingerboard,
felt gorgeous 8)

Can anyone confirm jasons email addy for me btw? Just wanted to check i sent an email to the right address!!! needed to ask a fair few questions :p

[Elizabeth]

Simon,
Just got back onto email this morning. Had a hectic day yesterday and did not respond to email. I will answer your questions today. I have the guys coming to the shop for a bit of a training session and to plan out the week in just a bit so it may be tonight.
Thanks!
Jason

PS - I am working from E-beth's computer so that is why I came up as Elizabeth!!!!

[simon_UK]

Cheers, no problem about time, just wanted to make sure i sent it to the right place!

Speak soon

Simon :)

[simon_UK]

btw, thought you lot might like to see what colour ill be aiming for, need to find out if this sort of thing can be done with redwood otherwise ill be looking for a top like the one below!



this isnt a prs at all..........honest!

http://a533.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/19/l_5aaeb7c953e64dc7a39830e6ea7763f4.jpg

http://a772.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/44/l_5d9d9bdd7d987a03e708fd36cf892b5b.jpg

[vangit]

Do you like those choices for neck woods or rw for neck and cocobolo for body?

Paul

Hey Paul. My understading is coco makes a real nice neck (not body). The only concern I have heard is coco can be pretty heavy. I have never seen it in person.

[Paulpuck]

Hey Paul. My understading is coco makes a real nice neck (not body). The only concern I have heard is coco can be pretty heavy. I have never seen it in person.


I Know that both Driskill and Thorn have done cocobolo bodies. They sure look nice but I am not sure how they sound. I have a guitar on order with Driskill which I was going to have done with a brazilian neck but since both my Schroeders will have brazilian necks I am thinking of going cocobolo. The rest of the guitar was going to be typical mahogany with quilt maple top but now I am considering going swamp ash body with quilt maple top. I have heard some very good things about that combination recently. Then again maybe the buzz is more related to price since mahogany has gotten so expensive.

I also have heard that cocobolo is heavy so I would think a body would need to be chambered. I have a zebrawood body guitar which is a very heavy wood. The builder chambered it extensively to cut weight. I was really apprehensive about it since I had never seen a zebrawood body guitar before but it is absolutely killer sounding. It has a brazilian neck but the builder choose to finish it in a gloss finish which I had never heard of before. Here are a couple of pics if anyone is interested in how it looks:

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h81/paulpuck68/abyss5yrzebraback.jpg


http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h81/paulpuck68/00520angle.jpg

[Paulpuck]

btw, thought you lot might like to see what colour ill be aiming for, need to find out if this sort of thing can be done with redwood

I have no expertise in staining wood but I'm not sure you can do much color staining with redwood. Since the wood has a lot of reds, oranges, and browns in the wood already I would think various earth tones or related bursts might be best. Here is a couple of pieces of redwood I bought for some futrure project along with my Huber Redwood in natural finish to give you an idea.

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h81/paulpuck68/Redwood2c.jpg

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h81/paulpuck68/Redwood1c.jpg

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h81/paulpuck68/HuberRedwood3.jpg

[vangit]

Thanks for the info Paul. I have only seen coco necks.

[simon_UK]

I believe quinny might actually have a cocobolo bodied guitar in the works............

to paul- Thats what i thought, not seen any real stained pieces of redwood, just bursts or naturals unfortunately! Its a gorgoues top wood but i really really really want that colour so id be happier to change the top wood rather than the colour lol!

[Quinny]

Hi gang...

Yes I do indeed have a coco back guitar in the works, my Driskill:

http://www.nialltodd.com/Driskill/back.jpg

Cocobolo is a beautiful wood! The only guitar I've had which had a coco body was Driskill 91.... it was a heavy guitar, but I think that is more down to the extra thick maple top the original owner spec'd it with. The Driskill has been chambered and apparently will be around 9lbs, ideal for me personally.

As a neck wood it is just sublime.... it gets a really slick and smooth sheen to it with plenty of playing and for me the feel beats any RW or maple neck I've tried. The coco neck on my Heatley never fails to make me smile, fantastic... Like RW, I think coco adds some bottom end thump, though I find it to be less muddy than RW. Bottom end from some good RW or coco + some nice P90s = one happy Quinny. :D

Q.

[simon_UK]

thats gonna be such a cool looking guitar when its ready! cheers for putting me onto this place btw :)

[t_hamill]

Hi Simon,

Nice to see another guy from this side of the pond on here!

I think no matter which combination of woods you choose the attention to detail that goes into each schroeder will ensure it will turn out magical!

All the best

T.